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	<title>Comments on: Early sources on African ideophones, part I: Schlegel on Ewe, 1857</title>
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		<title>By: Interesting stuff #2 &#171; The Outer Hoard</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting stuff #2 &#171; The Outer Hoard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ideophone writes a blog about African linguistics, and an introductory series which began here has recently been continued [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is interesting, but not restricted to ideophones; I’ve noticed that English gestures tend to start and end along with intonation groups, and “peak” at stressed syllables.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You are quite right, and this has been noted for gesture in general (McNeill 1992). What makes this piece of information interesting is that on the whole, expressives tend to come together with gestures more often than other words (e.g. &#039;normal&#039; nouns or verbs).

I&#039;ll let you know when I post the bit about expressive verbs in Tuareg. I&#039;m looking forward to your Kwarandjie data!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is interesting, but not restricted to ideophones; I’ve noticed that English gestures tend to start and end along with intonation groups, and “peak” at stressed syllables.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are quite right, and this has been noted for gesture in general (McNeill 1992). What makes this piece of information interesting is that on the whole, expressives tend to come together with gestures more often than other words (e.g. &#8216;normal&#8217; nouns or verbs).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let you know when I post the bit about expressive verbs in Tuareg. I&#8217;m looking forward to your Kwarandjie data!</p>
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		<title>By: Lameen</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Lameen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Schlegel also observes that the gestures here are time-aligned with the speech they accompany&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is interesting, but not restricted to ideophones; I&#039;ve noticed that English gestures tend to start and end along with intonation groups, and &quot;peak&quot; at stressed syllables.

&lt;blockquote&gt;expressive verbs in Tuareg&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve just lately been looking at something rather similar sounding in Kwarandjie, so I&#039;m curious to hear more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Schlegel also observes that the gestures here are time-aligned with the speech they accompany</p></blockquote>
<p>This is interesting, but not restricted to ideophones; I&#8217;ve noticed that English gestures tend to start and end along with intonation groups, and &#8220;peak&#8221; at stressed syllables.</p>
<blockquote><p>expressive verbs in Tuareg</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve just lately been looking at something rather similar sounding in Kwarandjie, so I&#8217;m curious to hear more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Felix,

Yes, point taken about the lexical class / word class distinction. I agree that a language can have expressive (ideophonic) vocabulary without having a word class (in the grammatical sense) of expressives. In fact, I&#039;ve been working on a post about expressive verbs in Tuareg, so Tuareg would be an example of a language of your third type (in which expressives occur as a lexical subclass within a word class).

As for the special symbols, I think they should display alright now even in the footnotes. I had forgotten to apply a special layout to them, thanks for pointing that out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Felix,</p>
<p>Yes, point taken about the lexical class / word class distinction. I agree that a language can have expressive (ideophonic) vocabulary without having a word class (in the grammatical sense) of expressives. In fact, I&#8217;ve been working on a post about expressive verbs in Tuareg, so Tuareg would be an example of a language of your third type (in which expressives occur as a lexical subclass within a word class).</p>
<p>As for the special symbols, I think they should display alright now even in the footnotes. I had forgotten to apply a special layout to them, thanks for pointing that out!</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mark, 
This is great, although there are some things in here that call for discussion and more precision. Let me mention one. I am sure you are aware of it. I think expressives or ideophones are a LEXICAL class but they are not a word class. I think languages vary in this. For some languages, Expressives or Ideophones may belong to only one word class; for others they are divided over words and still in others they are a subclass of one or more classes.
I wonder why some of your special symbols do not show up on my machine. Some show without problem it is really in the notes that the problem shows up.
Season&#039;s greetings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mark,<br />
This is great, although there are some things in here that call for discussion and more precision. Let me mention one. I am sure you are aware of it. I think expressives or ideophones are a LEXICAL class but they are not a word class. I think languages vary in this. For some languages, Expressives or Ideophones may belong to only one word class; for others they are divided over words and still in others they are a subclass of one or more classes.<br />
I wonder why some of your special symbols do not show up on my machine. Some show without problem it is really in the notes that the problem shows up.<br />
Season&#8217;s greetings</p>
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		<title>By: Lev Michael</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Lev Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The German quotes have now been translated.</description>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got another request for translation by email, so I think I&#039;ll be translating any German quotes in the future. A translation of the ones in this post will follow soon. Thanks for the suggestion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got another request for translation by email, so I think I&#8217;ll be translating any German quotes in the future. A translation of the ones in this post will follow soon. Thanks for the suggestion!</p>
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		<title>By: Lev Michael</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/early-sources-on-african-ideophones-schlegel/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Lev Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I realize this makes for a lot more work for you, but a humble request from a non-Germanophone reader: might you, in the future, be able to provide English translations for your German quotes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I realize this makes for a lot more work for you, but a humble request from a non-Germanophone reader: might you, in the future, be able to provide English translations for your German quotes?</p>
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