Comments on: How is Sotho siks! doing? http://ideophone.org/siks-sotho-ideophone/ Sounding out ideas on African languages, sound symbolism, and expressivity Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:40:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Daniel Kunene http://ideophone.org/siks-sotho-ideophone/comment-page-1/#comment-1583 Daniel Kunene Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:02:43 +0000 http://ideophone.org/?p=101#comment-1583 I read your posting, Mark, and wrote a reply on my blog http://danielkunene.blogspot.com/ I read your posting, Mark, and wrote a reply on my blog http://danielkunene.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Mark Dingemanse http://ideophone.org/siks-sotho-ideophone/comment-page-1/#comment-1326 Mark Dingemanse Mon, 25 May 2009 20:48:54 +0000 http://ideophone.org/?p=101#comment-1326 Tebello, thanks for weighing in (and for asking your mother!). I suspected as much. Of course there could be a limited network in which it is still thriving. Kunene's 1978 book (cited above) is just a somewhat extended version of the 1965 paper. Nothing essential is in the book that is not in the paper. I would've liked to ask Kunene himself, but as he is emeritus now I have some trouble locating him online. Tebello, thanks for weighing in (and for asking your mother!). I suspected as much. Of course there could be a limited network in which it is still thriving.

Kunene’s 1978 book (cited above) is just a somewhat extended version of the 1965 paper. Nothing essential is in the book that is not in the paper.

I would’ve liked to ask Kunene himself, but as he is emeritus now I have some trouble locating him online.

]]> By: Tebello Thejane http://ideophone.org/siks-sotho-ideophone/comment-page-1/#comment-1302 Tebello Thejane Thu, 21 May 2009 19:10:46 +0000 http://ideophone.org/?p=101#comment-1302 e, marc I don't think I've ever heard anyone using this ideophone before, and indeed my knowledge of it comes from Kunene's paper (incidentally, I found it in book form while browsing the Wits library, in 2003, and now that you say it's actually a paper would explain why the book was so thin). I just asked my mother -- a 56 year old native of Qwa-qwa with numerous relatives from Lesotho -- if she recognised it, and she didn't. I'm sure you already know this, but I thought I should mention that phonologically this word is very malformed for Sesotho (it's a closed syllable with a consonant cluster), but such is the nature of ideophones that they sometimes break the language's rules for emotional effect. Some rural people pronounce English six as "sikisi" {HLL} when importing it into Sesotho. e, marc

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone using this ideophone before, and indeed my knowledge of it comes from Kunene’s paper (incidentally, I found it in book form while browsing the Wits library, in 2003, and now that you say it’s actually a paper would explain why the book was so thin).

I just asked my mother — a 56 year old native of Qwa-qwa with numerous relatives from Lesotho — if she recognised it, and she didn’t.

I’m sure you already know this, but I thought I should mention that phonologically this word is very malformed for Sesotho (it’s a closed syllable with a consonant cluster), but such is the nature of ideophones that they sometimes break the language’s rules for emotional effect. Some rural people pronounce English six as “sikisi” {HLL} when importing it into Sesotho.

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