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	<title>Comments on: Visual corpus linguistics with Many Eyes</title>
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	<description>Sounding out ideas on African languages, sound symbolism, and expressivity</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s a topic marker.</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Girvan</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Girvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing I noticed from the raw text: the &quot;Si ... ne&quot; construct is only common in the first half, and absent in the second half (whose title indicates it to be a formal book). Identifying the text type of the first half - for instance, is it personal narrative that would have many &quot;I ...&quot; sentences? - could be enlightening in identifying the nature of &quot;Si ... ne&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing I noticed from the raw text: the &#8220;Si &#8230; ne&#8221; construct is only common in the first half, and absent in the second half (whose title indicates it to be a formal book). Identifying the text type of the first half &#8211; for instance, is it personal narrative that would have many &#8220;I &#8230;&#8221; sentences? &#8211; could be enlightening in identifying the nature of &#8220;Si &#8230; ne&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dingemanse</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-541</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dingemanse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett, Ray, Jason: beautiful observations. Expect a writeup incorporating your findings in a few days. Re: the missing tag cloud &#8212; I contacted the Many Eyes people on this issue, and they&#039;ve said they are working to fix the Unicode problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, Ray, Jason: beautiful observations. Expect a writeup incorporating your findings in a few days. Re: the missing tag cloud &mdash; I contacted the Many Eyes people on this issue, and they&#8217;ve said they are working to fix the Unicode problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add a silly guess.  I don&#039;t know anything about languages, beyond English and a little Spanish, so this is probably pretty dumb :-) but: I&#039;m guessing it performs some function that is not served by any English word.  Maybe it indicates past tense.

For a while I was thinking preposition, but it seems really inconvenient for a language to prefer that prepositions appear at the extremes of sentences.  What do I know, though.

Oh, and my guess is that &lt;i&gt;ne kama ne&lt;/i&gt; serves as a conjunctive adverb (like &lt;i&gt;furthermore&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;however&lt;/i&gt; in English).

Don&#039;t know what to make of that &lt;i&gt;ne ne&lt;/i&gt;, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add a silly guess.  I don&#8217;t know anything about languages, beyond English and a little Spanish, so this is probably pretty dumb :-) but: I&#8217;m guessing it performs some function that is not served by any English word.  Maybe it indicates past tense.</p>
<p>For a while I was thinking preposition, but it seems really inconvenient for a language to prefer that prepositions appear at the extremes of sentences.  What do I know, though.</p>
<p>Oh, and my guess is that <i>ne kama ne</i> serves as a conjunctive adverb (like <i>furthermore</i> or <i>however</i> in English).</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know what to make of that <i>ne ne</i>, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray GIrvan</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray GIrvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Wow, that tool hides a lot about the nature of the sample!&lt;/i&gt;
Yep: stuff that could be useful, like possible relation to proper names and what appears to be dialogue, as well as a complete song/poem with multiple uses of &quot;ne&quot; in a question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wow, that tool hides a lot about the nature of the sample!</i><br />
Yep: stuff that could be useful, like possible relation to proper names and what appears to be dialogue, as well as a complete song/poem with multiple uses of &#8220;ne&#8221; in a question.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need a cloud view too. :(

Some raw-ish observations:

- &quot;ne&quot; is the most common word in the sample data.  It is more common than the most common punctuation marks, &quot;.&quot; and &quot;,&quot;.  It is the most common word following a period (&quot;. ne&quot; gives 158 hits; the runner-up &quot;. si&quot; has 115) and the most common word preceding a period (&quot;ne .&quot;: 84; &quot;ame .&quot;: 72).

- &quot;ne&quot; usually appears before or after a &quot;.&quot; or &quot;,&quot;:
-- 42.9%: immediately before &quot;,&quot;
-- 13.6%: sentence-initial (&quot;ne&quot; after &quot;.&quot; &quot;?&quot; or &quot;!&quot;)
-- 7.8%: sentence-final (&quot;ne&quot; before &quot;.&quot; &quot;?&quot; or &quot;!&quot;)
-- 4.1%: immediately after &quot;,&quot;
-- 31.5%: other

- There are 9 hits for &quot;ne , ne&quot; and one for &quot;ne ne&quot;.  (“Si maɔsɛgu ne ne, ɔrɔ̃go kpakpa gɔ mpia...”)

- &quot;ne kama ne&quot; appears 31 times, almost always after punctuation.

- The most common word after a sentence ending in &quot;ne .&quot; is &quot;ne&quot;.

But I found myself wanting to browse the source text, and as soon as I did that, I noticed two things:

- Wow, that tool hides a lot about the nature of the sample!

- Right away I wanted to write Python scripts to analyze the data in ways the tool doesn&#039;t support.

Doing this, I found out that in the file there&#039;s 1 instance of &quot;ne-oo&quot; and 1 instance of &quot;ne- - - oo!&quot;  No idea whether those are really instances of &quot;ne&quot; or something else entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a cloud view too. :(</p>
<p>Some raw-ish observations:</p>
<p>- &#8220;ne&#8221; is the most common word in the sample data.  It is more common than the most common punctuation marks, &#8220;.&#8221; and &#8220;,&#8221;.  It is the most common word following a period (&#8220;. ne&#8221; gives 158 hits; the runner-up &#8220;. si&#8221; has 115) and the most common word preceding a period (&#8220;ne .&#8221;: 84; &#8220;ame .&#8221;: 72).</p>
<p>- &#8220;ne&#8221; usually appears before or after a &#8220;.&#8221; or &#8220;,&#8221;:<br />
&#8211; 42.9%: immediately before &#8220;,&#8221;<br />
&#8211; 13.6%: sentence-initial (&#8220;ne&#8221; after &#8220;.&#8221; &#8220;?&#8221; or &#8220;!&#8221;)<br />
&#8211; 7.8%: sentence-final (&#8220;ne&#8221; before &#8220;.&#8221; &#8220;?&#8221; or &#8220;!&#8221;)<br />
&#8211; 4.1%: immediately after &#8220;,&#8221;<br />
&#8211; 31.5%: other</p>
<p>- There are 9 hits for &#8220;ne , ne&#8221; and one for &#8220;ne ne&#8221;.  (“Si maɔsɛgu ne ne, ɔrɔ̃go kpakpa gɔ mpia&#8230;”)</p>
<p>- &#8220;ne kama ne&#8221; appears 31 times, almost always after punctuation.</p>
<p>- The most common word after a sentence ending in &#8220;ne .&#8221; is &#8220;ne&#8221;.</p>
<p>But I found myself wanting to browse the source text, and as soon as I did that, I noticed two things:</p>
<p>- Wow, that tool hides a lot about the nature of the sample!</p>
<p>- Right away I wanted to write Python scripts to analyze the data in ways the tool doesn&#8217;t support.</p>
<p>Doing this, I found out that in the file there&#8217;s 1 instance of &#8220;ne-oo&#8221; and 1 instance of &#8220;ne- &#8211; - oo!&#8221;  No idea whether those are really instances of &#8220;ne&#8221; or something else entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray GIrvan</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray GIrvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the problem of the lack of positional wildcards. As I said at Language Log, some patterns are far easier to see in the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/static-resources/data/89ade5ae1a7cb139011a8816001c0721.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;raw text&lt;/A&gt;, such as the frequent occurrence of a &quot;Si ... ne&quot; construct as sentences and opening clauses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the problem of the lack of positional wildcards. As I said at Language Log, some patterns are far easier to see in the <a HREF="http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/static-resources/data/89ade5ae1a7cb139011a8816001c0721.txt" rel="nofollow">raw text</a>, such as the frequent occurrence of a &#8220;Si &#8230; ne&#8221; construct as sentences and opening clauses.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dingemanse</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dingemanse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed, sentence boundaries are marked by periods. Questions are marked by a question mark, by the way. Nice try; I&#039;ll withhold my comments until later.

&lt;em&gt;To all Eyes:&lt;/em&gt;
Do note that you can save snapshots of a particular state of the word tree by adding a comment below the visualization window (I appended one as an example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, sentence boundaries are marked by periods. Questions are marked by a question mark, by the way. Nice try; I&#8217;ll withhold my comments until later.</p>
<p><em>To all Eyes:</em><br />
Do note that you can save snapshots of a particular state of the word tree by adding a comment below the visualization window (I appended one as an example).</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ll play. It occurs sentence initially 158 times (out of 1161) and sentence terminally 83 times (assuming that in Siwu a period marks sentence boundaries). It often seems to bracket a whole clause and it can even be doubled. The &lt;i&gt;ne kama ne&lt;/i&gt; string is quite common.

I&#039;m running out of time, so I&#039;ll guess it has a grammatical function. Perhaps a negation (though I may be influenced by the spelling) or a question marker.

I find it frustrating not to be able to compare two things at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ll play. It occurs sentence initially 158 times (out of 1161) and sentence terminally 83 times (assuming that in Siwu a period marks sentence boundaries). It often seems to bracket a whole clause and it can even be doubled. The <i>ne kama ne</i> string is quite common.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m running out of time, so I&#8217;ll guess it has a grammatical function. Perhaps a negation (though I may be influenced by the spelling) or a question marker.</p>
<p>I find it frustrating not to be able to compare two things at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Language Log » Many eyes on Siwu ne?</title>
		<link>http://ideophone.org/visual-corpus-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Language Log » Many eyes on Siwu ne?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For more discussion, see Mark&#039;s post at The Ideophone, &quot;Visual corpus linguistics with Many Eyes&quot; [..]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For more discussion, see Mark&#8217;s post at The Ideophone, &#8220;Visual corpus linguistics with Many Eyes&#8221; [..]</p>
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